it looked like, the president saying, hey, joe, there is an open mike there. >> often i think people mock him for his stumbles. that was a terrific interview. you get the behind the scenes on some of the things that come out wrong sometimes, but he seems to say, the fact that he has that trust, that's a fair point. >> i think it's been a great marriage if you will. the presidents and vice presidents, often a marriage of convenience and this one seems to really be working. a great complimentary team. >> is joe biden considered to be a threat? sometimes he is posed as a little bit of a joke on the gop side. >> i don't think he's a joke. at the same time, it's a little hard for me to believe he will be a real contender in 2016. i think by all accounts, hillary clinton will have it if she wants it, and after that they have a pretty good bench. but i think joe biden is good at what he does. >> he said it right. he speaks the truth. a lot of trust, and been there a long time. it goes a long way in washington, d.c. >>> ahead on "starting point," the premiere showcase for independent films.